Spider pedipalp -- stereo pairs added

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Spider pedipalp -- stereo pairs added

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This is a work in progress...

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I'll be filling in all the usual info tomorrow (probably today, as you read this), but I wanted to get these posted out tonight to keep my full 3 images limit tomorrow (my time).

For now, let's just say that this is a fairly small but prominent part of a common critter.

Anyone want to take a guess what?

--Rik

Edit: to change title.
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Hmmm... some of those hairs looks like a feathers. :-k
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Well the shape is somewhat reminiscent of a scorpion's tail, but then I'm sure it wouldn't possess such a complex array of feathery bristles (in fact have any bristles at all). Maybe from a water scorpion or scorpion fly?

Ok my not very confident guess is tail of scorpion fly.

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some sort of mouth part or tounge?
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Hmmm... some of those hairs looks like a feathers. :-k:
Those hairs grab your attention, don't they? They sure did mine. But only after I made this image. Before that, I never even noticed them, despite more than a few minutes working with this specimen under a dissecting scope trying to figure out a good angle to shoot it from, and then to get it mounted.

I don't want to put this subject back under the microscope for a while, until I'm done photographing it. So I can't say how visible the feathering is under the scope. It's very possible I just had my attention focused on the shapes of the sclerotized parts in the main bulb. But just now, I looked over the rest of the body that gave up this part, and I still can't get my eye on any feathered hairs.
...tail of scorpion fly...
Nope. This is a common critter. I can't recall ever seeing a live scorpion fly. But the chances are quite good that I could find one of these things, or at least a close relative, on any day of the year -- and I live in an area where things freeze solid in winter.
some sort of mouth part or tounge?
Sort of, but that's not its most notable function.

More info later. In the meantime I have pictures to shoot, pictures to process...

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How about a male spider pedipalp used for transferring sperm to the female :wink:
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beetleman wrote:How about a male spider pedipalp used for transferring sperm to the female :wink:
Bingo!

In particular, it's from the right side of one of the house spiders that live in the corners and crevices of my basement and garage. I'm not sure if they're all the same species, or where this particular specimen came from.

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Spiders got "feathers!?" :shock:

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Ken Ramos wrote:Spiders got "feathers!?" :shock:
Kinda pervert spider. This one likes young chickens! :lol:
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Post by beetleman »

It was a lucky guess. I know Rik has been doing a lot with spiders lately. Did I say an incredable photo Rik.
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Post by Ken Ramos »

That is a pretty neat photo though, you can see the scales on the hairs if you look close. :D

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Thanks for the looks and comments, everybody! :D

Ken, those various bristles sure have a lot of different textures, don't they? There are a few around the center of the bulb that actually seem to be serrated, although that doesn't show up very well at this scale. Maybe I'll go in with a microscope objective and see if I can get that feature more clearly.

I'm afraid that this topic will be evolving for a bit. I ended up doing a lot of other stuff today instead of working on this subject.

But for those of you who can see stereo, here are a couple of shots that will help to reveal the complicated structure of this thing.

I think these stereo pairs are very cool, because try as I might, I could not make out as much structure working real-time under a stereo scope, as I can in these static pairs. I'm not sure why that is -- I think it's a combination of resolution, DOF, and lighting. I haven't figured out yet how to get pingpong quality lighting in real-time view, and still be able to fly the specimen around.

Turn this stuff into an object movie, as Graham Stabler is working on, and you'd have one dynamite method for conveying structure. Make it work in real-time also, with a subject actually under the scope, and you'd have an interesting lab tool. (Who knows, maybe that's what these 3D Microscope guys are working on. But I don't think so -- their literature seems to describe non-stacked images from a bunch of different angles.)

In any case, enough ramblings -- on with the pictures!

Crossed-eye, large then small, no difference except size. I recommend the large one if your eyes will handle it.

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BTW, I don't have precise scale on this thing yet, but as near as I can tell, frame height is just a hair over 2 mm in the stereo views.

--Rik

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Edit Jan 12, 2008: Actual measurement is 1.89 mm frame height in the stereo views. Scale bar added to bottom image in first post.
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Post by Ken Ramos »

Pretty neat there Rik. :D A bit rough on the eyes at 0445 in the morning but after a few minutes and a cup of coffee or two, easily managable :lol:

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Post by Cyclops »

Great shot of a pedi palp, one reliable way to ID a spider(the other is the epigyne of females or epigastric fold of males)
I cant see stereo tho, hence my username ;)
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Post by Planapo »

Superb images, tremendously rich in detail these are, Rik!

And both of the stereo pairs are working excellently too. The small ones were no problem from the very start. Though, the large ones took me a couple of minutes to achieve the overlap. It worked after I had figured out not to have my nose too close to the screen. At a distance face-screen > 70 cm my eyes could finally cope with the large pair as well.

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