I have a Canon MP 35mm and have just bought a Minolta 5400.
What magnification ranges would you use them if they are complimentary?
Or does the Minolta trump the Canon at all mags?
Canon MP 35mm and/or Minolta 5400
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Re: Canon MP 35mm and/or Minolta 5400
robert has done comparisons and posted fantastic info about both head to head on his website:
two examples:
https://www.closeuphotography.com/2x-lens-test
https://www.closeuphotography.com/3x-lens-test
I don't have the Canon MP, the M5400 is superb and at the center one of the very best lenses but I had trouble getting best corner performance on FF sensors.
two examples:
https://www.closeuphotography.com/2x-lens-test
https://www.closeuphotography.com/3x-lens-test
I don't have the Canon MP, the M5400 is superb and at the center one of the very best lenses but I had trouble getting best corner performance on FF sensors.
chris
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I have read Robert's excellent reviews at 2x and 3x.
I am considering a wider range of magnifications from 1x (at which the 5400 was designed) up to whatever either can usefully be deployed at.
I am considering a wider range of magnifications from 1x (at which the 5400 was designed) up to whatever either can usefully be deployed at.
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Re: Canon MP 35mm and/or Minolta 5400
since you probably are one of very few people which have both lenses, best to check yourself.
and please report back your findings
and please report back your findings
chris
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The 5400 isn't designed for 1x. In the scanner it projects a 24mm object onto a 44mm sensor, so around 1.8x. Anyway, the answer to your original question depends on the sensor size you use. From what I've seen the 5400 has a smaller image circle and less CA. If the image circle of the 5400 is large enough for your camera at a given magnification, it will likely outperform the MP35, especially where CA is concerned. If your kind of photography isn't overly critical wrt corner IQ, the range in which the 5400 will outperform the MP35 will be larger.Andy Davies wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:45 pmI am considering a wider range of magnifications from 1x (at which the 5400 was designed) up to whatever either can usefully be deployed at.
Curious to see your results. I have yet to disassemble my 5400 scanner..
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I have just tried the 5400 on my Z6 shooting ProRes Raw video with a Ninja V which gives a bit of crop from the full frame.
No vignetting so far!
No vignetting so far!
Re: Canon MP 35mm and/or Minolta 5400
vignetting is not the problem, it's that sharpness drops on FF corners.
as has been mentioned, with smaller sensor area or if you have subjects which don't need corners, the M5400 performs fantastic in the center and medium edge area over quite a large range.
chris
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Well, it depends if you plan to use them on FF or APS-C. According to this test the Canon should perform best between 2.5 and 3.5 or so, at least on APS-C. I had a Olympus 38/2.8 bellows lens and was very good on FF at 3 to 5X, maybe that canon 25/2.8 is even better
Is always better to look for some tests for the sensor format you are using. For example:
The MP-E is often regarded as a poor performer on APS-C cameras (and kind of agree) whereas I find it to be an excellent performer on 24mpx FF cameras from 1 to 3X, maybe even 4X. 5x is a bit too much already but for field use is still OK.
On the other hand some lenses that perform very well on APS-C cameras may disappoint on FF cameras, specially when not working at its designed magnification.
Is always better to look for some tests for the sensor format you are using. For example:
The MP-E is often regarded as a poor performer on APS-C cameras (and kind of agree) whereas I find it to be an excellent performer on 24mpx FF cameras from 1 to 3X, maybe even 4X. 5x is a bit too much already but for field use is still OK.
On the other hand some lenses that perform very well on APS-C cameras may disappoint on FF cameras, specially when not working at its designed magnification.
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I use FF Nikon D810 and Z6 shooting wildlife so edges are not that important.
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Well, sometimes depending on the framing edges may be important. Anyway, I guess that canon may perfor pretty well from 3 to 6X. I would pair it with a longer lens for smaller magnification.
I do not know if canon made a 50 or 80 mm bellow lens.
I had some of the olympus OM bellows macro lenses and the 80/4 and the 38/2.8 is all one would need from 0.5X to 5X.
Even when stacking having an iris is very useful. I use it a lot for the final shot of the stack, closing the iris 2 to 4 stops.
I do not know if canon made a 50 or 80 mm bellow lens.
I had some of the olympus OM bellows macro lenses and the 80/4 and the 38/2.8 is all one would need from 0.5X to 5X.
Even when stacking having an iris is very useful. I use it a lot for the final shot of the stack, closing the iris 2 to 4 stops.