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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, I started looking into the Nikon D850 and it seems a very interesting option as well. New 45MP BSI sensor, Silent Live View mode (E-shutter), touch screen with focus peaking. That fits (and exceeds) my needs, the bad thing is that it exceeds my budget as well... Sad Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pau, somewhere in there we need a converter to mount Nikon lenses. If they are short lenses a fat adapter or bellows might prevent them from focusing at infinity. But the best solution for me (I have no Pentax lenses) is to remove the K mount and replace it with a Nikon mount. A huge advantage of the Sony cameras is that they have so much room for adapters.

Macrero, yes, I briefly considered the D850 before I bought so many lenses but now it is beyond my means. The sensor is probably the best one out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Jost wrote:
The sensor is probably the best one out there.


And it's not from Sony, rumor is it's from the Tower/Jazz fab designed by Nikon. Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, I think Sony dropped the price on A7R III, search Amazon, it is now under 3000USD
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retail price here in Europe (or at least in Spain) is still high, though I can get an a7R III for a tad less than 2.700 EUR (around $3100) and a Nikon D850 for about the same money (a little more). The thing is that I can get an a7R II (new) for 1000 EUR less (1700 EUR). 12 vs 14 bits RAW with ES ain't worth 1000 EUR. Is the Pixel-shift worth it? I'm not quite sure...

Btw, Sony could probably add pixel-shifting to the a7R II via firmware update, but they will obviously don't, since it is one of the main selling points of the a7R III...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another a7rii user here. Love the camera, minus a few little quirks and design decisions that baffle me. The biggest issue i've run into for macro is that the "multi-terminal usb", of which there is only 1, doesn't allow you to tether your camera to a computer and use a remote trigger at the same time. I get around it by triggering it with IR from my stackshot 3X with the cognisys ir controller, but it shouldn't require a workaround and is one of the reasons I feel the Sony mirrorless team are brilliant engineers but are still a little green on the needs of photographers. Just something to be aware of if your plan is to shoot tethered in studio.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There may be other software besides Sony for the ARQ compositing. At this point, without much control over the ARQ compositing, I would say the pixel shift is not very useful on the A7RIII as it is overly-sharpened. It may be this is the only problem, but even with less sharpening the details may still not be true.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macrero wrote:
Retail price here in Europe (or at least in Spain) is still high, though I can get an a7R III for a tad less than 2.700 EUR (around $3100) and a Nikon D850 for about the same money (a little more). The thing is that I can get an a7R II (new) for 1000 EUR less (1700 EUR). 12 vs 14 bits RAW with ES ain't worth 1000 EUR. Is the Pixel-shift worth it? I'm not quite sure...

Btw, Sony could probably add pixel-shifting to the a7R II via firmware update, but they will obviously don't, since it is one of the main selling points of the a7R III...


The only things that pulled me back on getting a Sony camera before were the overheat and short battery life issues. Sony A7III (not R) has some good reviews about these two issues, so I went for it because of its large pixel size (6um) for macro and easy adaption of lenses. And with focus peaking feature, I think manual lenses are not bad at all.

Now, I have my eyes on the A9, maybe next year when I get back to US (warranty reason)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mjkzz wrote:

Now, I have my eyes on the A9, maybe next year when I get back to US (warranty reason)

Spectacular camera for just about everything - macro, micro and photo (as in "real world" photography in any genre). Pricey of course, but you really do get what you pay for IMO. Given the rate that Sony release new camera models at, price should have dropped quite significantly by next year too. You'll love it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't use tethering, so that's not a drawback for me. Never had overheating issues with Sony cameras even in deep stacks at relatively long exposure.

The only potentially worthwhile feature (for me) of the a7R III over the II was the Pixel-shifting, but it seems that it's not quite as good as it looks on paper. So I'll go with the a7R II. And taking into account the difference in price it's a no-brainer for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just would like to point out, that after years of using my A7RII, it overheated first time just few days ago.
In full sun, tropical heat. ~15 minutes of 4K recording and ~600 shots my camera shutted down. I've changed batteries in grip and turned it back on, and kept on shooting untill i was done with the job.
It NEVER even displayed warning in my lab work, running hundreds of images in a row.

About thehering: I've no problems here either. Im using USB for We-Macro control, HDMI for 4K TV display and IR remote to browse camera without touching it.
All those ports can work together. You can also use IR trigger in WeMacro and other rails, so your USB port will be free (but i've not tested it).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnyM wrote:
I just would like to point out, that after years of using my A7RII, it overheated first time just few days ago.
In full sun, tropical heat. ~15 minutes of 4K recording and ~600 shots my camera shutted down. I've changed batteries in grip and turned it back on, and kept on shooting untill i was done with the job.
It NEVER even displayed warning in my lab work, running hundreds of images in a row.

About thehering: I've no problems here either. Im using USB for We-Macro control, HDMI for 4K TV display and IR remote to browse camera without touching it.
All those ports can work together. You can also use IR trigger in WeMacro and other rails, so your USB port will be free (but i've not tested it).


Never had overheating on my A7rii either. Did get the warning icon on my A9 once, but that was after doing a couple of hours of rapid fire shooting in a hot butterfly house. It didn't shut down though.

I have a similar setup to yours on my macro rig - but the remote I use is just for triggering the camera (the WeMacro one) so my USB port is free (power). Which remote allows you to browse the camera? That would be quite handy. thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Sony RMT-DSLR2. Full controll over anything in your camera. Even power-zoom if you have it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was over whelmed by the general consensus (reviews and feedback on them) that short battery life and over heat are two major issues, of course, perhaps not to all users, but the general opinion is not favorable.

I was playing with a Sony RX100IV for its high speed feature at a Sony store, after about 10 minutes, just playing with it, a short 4K video, etc, it shut down due to over heat and that experience made me believe it more, so I got the Panasonic GH5 and Canon 6DII, which I think I should have invested that money in an A9

Anyways, I think I am itchy to get the A9 (thanks Beatsy) next time I go to Hong Kong, though I still want US warranty.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Jost wrote:
So for me the choices for a FF camera are A7Rii and Pentax K1 Mark 1. Both cost the same and both have fully electronic shutters (the Pentax has this only after a firmware update). The Sony has better adaptability to non-native lenses but the Pentax has pixel-shifting.


Lou,

I was not considering a DSLR, but since you mentioned the K1 I looked into it and it seems a very good option as well. And, hmm... its pixel-shifting seems to work, at least in the DPR samples.

*Pics removed due DPR copyright policy. You can download the RAW files from DPR if you want to see how they compares.

There is clearly more/better detail in the K-1 crop.

Are you sure the firmware added e-shutter is fully electronic? I read in a few sites that it is an EFCS.

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